Talk:Church of Santa Maria dell'Ammiraglio

I uploaded a higher reesolution image of the facade/tower/exterior of the church. I have other photos of the interior views that might be helpful if the article is expanded. --152.3.207.57 (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 15 April 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No Consensus. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Church of Santa Maria dell'Ammiraglio → Santa Maria dell'Ammiraglio – Standard titles for churches Alienautic (talk) 14:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. b uidhe 15:48, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - we generally identify churches as churches, as a practical means of identifying such articles as being about churches (as opposed to for example villages), even though most Italian church articles are currently in the "Santa Maria" format: the origin of this is a mystery, since the Italian Wikipedia always starts the corresponding articles as "Chiesa (Basilica, etc) di..." Ingratis (talk) 17:17, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PRECISION, in other words Ingratis (talk) 23:46, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Standard for churches wants the name of the church only, without the specification "Church of". There are not villages named "Santa Maria dell'Ammiraglio", so this disambiguation is not even needed in this particular case. You can disagree with this standardization, but this is not the correct place to do so. See Category:Roman Catholic churches in Palermo, Category:Roman Catholic churches in Milan, Category:Roman Catholic churches in Rome, Category:Roman Catholic churches in Florence, Category:Roman Catholic churches in Pisa, Category:Roman Catholic churches in Naples, and any other category related to churches in Italy. The same standardization is used also in Wikimedia Commons.--Alienautic (talk) 08:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I refer again to WP:PRECISION (an article title about a church shd identify it as a church), which you have not addressed.. Church articles in other countries routinely do this (Category:Church of England church buildings in Norfolk, Category:Churches in Haut-Rhin, Category:Roman Catholic churches in Bavaria, etc etc). There is no reason why Italian churches shd be different. You assert a standard here on naming Italian churches, but there is just an informal convention, which has never been discussed AFAIK and is clearly at variance with how en-Wiki handles churches elsewhere. What Commmons does is irrelevant: en-Wiki makes its own decisions on conventions, but the most significant external parallel is it-Wiki, which identifies very precisely whether a building is a church, basilica, pieve & so forth: see also below.

This is exactly the place to discuss this: you are attempting to move an entirely clear Eng lang article to a less clear one for no good reason: see WP:AT. I refer here also to para 2 of [[:WP:UE}: "If there are too few reliable English-language sources to constitute an established usage, follow the conventions of the language appropriate to the subject (German for German politicians, Portuguese for Brazilian towns, and so on). For lesser known geographical objects or structures with few reliable English sources, follow the translation convention, if any, used for well known objects or structures of the same type". This is the case with the great majority of Italian churches. Ingratis (talk) 12:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This is the standard naming for Italian churches per longstanding consensus. For a start, mixing English and Italian is never a good idea. Santa Maria dell'Ammiragli, Palermo would be acceptable if we wanted to point out that it was a building. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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